


Archive for July, 2008
Jul
28
First what is Theocratic government? Theocracy is a form of government in which God is recognized as the supreme civil ruler. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal or via religious institutional (church) replacing or dominating civil government.
I know this part will be a bit old, and this will be of my own opinion. In 2006, at the Church of God of Prophecy bi-annual General Assembly, General Overseer, Bishop Fred Fisher retired from this leadership role and a new General Overseer was appointed in his place, Bishop Randy Howard. After a week long battle between members at the General Assembly the church changed its long-standing interpretation of acceptable reasons for divorce and remarriage, with ninety-seven standing against the issue. Those standing against the issue, though small in number, stood because they felt the Holy Ghost had not consented and the Church was divided on the issue. The Church of God of Prophecy has always worked from theocratic government, with the Holy Ghost manifesting himself and all present members in complete agreement. Therefore, even if just one person should disagree with changing church doctrine, prayer should take place until God delivers what should be done, with the Holy Ghost giving consent in the issue. The divorce and remarriage issue had been tabled the entire week because an agreement could not be reached. It was supposed to have been dropped from the proxy until the next General Assembly, but Bishop Fisher took it upon himself to open it back up on the last day of the event, when originally no business was to be held. Many attendees had left believing that the issue was to be regarded at a later time. These ninety-seven were overruled, by the overwhelming majority of voting members. Bishop Fisher himself overruled those standing against it.
It may seem it were urgent to past this new change in the divorce and remarriage doctrine in this assembly by the way the “theocratic government” was not put into practice and when many attendees understood that it would be tabled until the next assembly and left the assembly. Even by the w ay the General Overseer reopened the vote after been tabled all week. That would seem as been urgent and you may ask why? The Proxy System would come to my mind. It would give a broader participation from all around the world to give their vote on any doctrine change. It would give a better prospective of how the COGOP around the world feels about this change. Some feel that if we used the proxy system the outcome would been different. That maybe the reason it was urgent to past the D&R doctrine in that assembly. The proxy system will be used in the 2008 assembly.
This is how it will work:
All Representatives that carry a local church proxy, properly certified, meeting the deadlines, etc., will be registered on Monday of the Assembly by an Independent agency … a company hired to manage the proxy process. They are not affiliated with COGOP and have no stake in the outcome, as they are merely professionals hired to manage the logistics and assure the integrity of the process.
The proxy-carrying representative will be issued a voting card that is bar coded. Lose it? Lose the vote.
There will be x number of seats on the floor of the Sommet Center during the business sessions designated for those carrying the proxies, and ONLY them.
When the time comes for expressing the proxy on an issue, there will be about 15 strategically placed electronic stations at which the proxy holders will be able to use the bar-coded credential to register “yes/no” “for/against” or whatever the two options might be … “A/B.”
The independent agency will tally the results (pretty much immediately) and report them to the person presiding.
The proxy carrying representative would be elected by their local church and the church would have their own business meeting to come to a decision about the proxy in question. This decision is what the representative would vote in the assembly proxy. Then the assembly can tally the proxies to make their decision whether are not to pass the issues in question. I question the lack of Theocratic government used in these debates and the way that the assembly presbytery reopened this vote even when a good amount of the attendees had left the assembly shows who was operating the church at that time.
Jul
25
There is those that say not to judge the ones that are calling themselves Christians, but their lives tells a deference story by the fruit they bear. Those that cry not to judge speak of the scripture in Matt.7:1 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” We must understand that this scripture is not implying not to judge at all, but to judge righteous as in John 7:24 “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Some also use the argument of that we all have some sin or that we are not perfect and use the “Get the beam out of your eye before you judge the one who has mote sand in their eye.”(Matt.7:5)
The understanding of to Judge and Judgment should clear some issues for us. To judge is to weight the fruit that one brings forth. The judgment is the condition that is giving after the weighting of the fruit.
Jesus came not to judge or to give judgment to the lost, but to bring salvation to the lost and dieing world.
We as his hands and feet are to do the work of God to show the way unto salvation in Christ Jesus. We should do this in a way that is not judgmental, but in love as Christ would show love. We have a great responsibly to show, teach and to preach the gospel of the good news. First not to be a hypocrite and casting out the beam in our own eye we can then help our brother or sister with their sand in their eye: not saying that there is big and little sins, but what should be learned by this scripture is that by removing the large beam will make it possible to see clear to help others.
In the true sense the one with the mote should helped the one with the beam.
Understanding the scripture which speaks of “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you”. (Matt.7:6) The stiff-necked and stubborn enemies of the gospel are unworthy to have it preached unto them. (Geneva bible) Other commentaries http://biblecommenter.com/matthew/7-6.htm
So some will not receive the gospel, but would only trample it with their feet and then turn and tare you for judging them.
Those that say that some people have difficult marriages that then end in a divorce and then remarry and now have a great marriage should not be judged and told that they are in the sin of adultery. They claim that God is forgiving them and claims to be a Christian, but there is more: forgiving and forsaking. This is the part that they have a problem with forsaking and don’t want to be judged. It’s sad that the COGOP is now accepting these as members in a lot of our churches around the world even when Jesus himself says that it is clearly a sin of adultery. Go even further with homosexuality been accepted in Christendom it’s all because they call themselves Christians without any repentance or forsaking are we to go without giving judgment to is abomination?
“Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life? (1 Cor.6:1-3)
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”(1 Cor.6:9-10)
To judge or not to judge it seems that by scripture the saints are the best to judge the world in righteous.
Jul
19
My brother in Christ over at HolyLeaven wrote about the 2006 Assembly of the Church of God of Prophecy where he shows us the dangerous precedents set before us that in the eagerness to win souls of the divorcess we have open the door to sin that will enter the church. This goes alone with the my last post of “Confession only”.
[This past General Assembly was truly a trying time for those who believe marriage is for life. The decision making process was troubling to say the least. I know for me personally some have questioned my intelligence and have lost confidence in me because I didn’t support what seemed to be the will of the General Assembly. It is certainly not my intent to disrespect authority or to disregard the counsel of my peers but I believed and still believe the reasoning used to pass this report was flawed and extremely dangerous.
So many have thought it was simply the change to the church’s stand on the sanctity of Marriage which caused me and others to be concerned. However, that’s not the case. While I believe in the sanctity of marriage and while I believe the church made a serious error in changing its stand, I am more troubled by the rationale used to come to this conclusion and the precedents those rationales have set.
The first mistake I wish to point out is the use of the “Hospital Analogy” which was continually put forth to support the proposed changes both in 2004 and 2006.]
Read More at Holyleaven
Jul
18
I found this prospective about our Assembly minutes from the year 2006 that gives the impression that we now accept divorcees by their confession to be a Christian only. Along with divorcees whom remarried for the cause of fornication may become members. For me the criteria for membership if only by confession to be a Christian open the door for anyone with sin in their lives to become a member. I found that not every church sees this in the same prospective. What I mean is some do accept those in double marriage for example those that have been deserted then remarry, but not all of the churches. This is not what the Assembly minutes stated so you see how it maybe misinterpreted. This will lead us down that open door that will sooner or later we will be addressing membership to the Homosexual movement. If one is accepted only by confession then what is the difference between a person in double marriage and a person that lives a life style of homosexual? Understanding that homosexual is Abomination and double marriage is Adultery. If the church accepts one by confession then they by their own rules must accept the other.
[During the bi-annual General Assembly of the churches, held in Nashville, Tennessee in 2006, the church agreed that people who had been divorced (for the cause of fornication)and were later remarried may become members of the Church of God of Prophecy. May it be duely noted that ninety-seven members (out of an attendance of thousands voting)stood devoutly against changing church doctrine on this issue. The church however still maintains that God's perfect plan for marriage is between one man and one woman for life, but understands that humans are fallible and God has grace. The Church of God of Prophecy accepts divorcees as members. They believe that there is no sin worse than another. Only certain sins bring on worse consequences. Thus stating that it is okay for a person with a previous divorce to be a member. They must only confess to be a Christian. ]
Also the Wikipedia wrote it this way:”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_God_of_Prophecy
[During the bi-annual General Assembly of the churches, held in Nashville, Tennessee in 2006, the church agreed that people who had been divorced (for the cause of fornication) and were later remarried may become members of the Church of God of Prophecy. However, 97 members stood devoutly against changing church doctrine on this issue, giving that the Holy Ghost had not consented and the Church was divided on the issue. The Church of God of Prophecy has always worked from theocratical government, with the Holy Ghost giving consent with each issue. However, the Holy Ghost never manifested Himself to approve this issue. The Bible firmly teaches against adultery. Therefore, God's true church can not accept it either. The Church of God of Prophecy maintains that God's perfect plan for marriage is between one man and one woman for life. But since it was passed that people who had been divorced for the cause of fornication and later remarried can now become members, many leaders in the Church have abused the idea in its entirity and have now began accepting adulterers as members. Many churches in The Church of God of Prophecy still do NOT accept fornicators and adulterers as members, unless they gotten out of this lifestyle through divorce. No judgement is passed on others, but The Church of God of Prophecy does have a standard to uphold. And even though the General Assembly changed doctrinal beliefs concerning divorce and remarriage WITHOUT the consent of the Holy Ghost, many churches are still holding fast to the vision they have been given of the Church and how it should operate.]
Jul
6
In the Crusades of the middle ages 1095-1099 the western pope called for an holy war to free the holy land of Jerusalem from the Muslims. This call would be placed to any one who would accept mostly barbarians and low life’s because the pope was giving indulgences for their last sin. This would be the 1st of 4 crusades to Jerusalem. In these so called holy crusades any one not professing to be Christian would be killed as a heathen along with any destruction or pillage of the lands before getting to the holy land. As in the 1st crusades most all were not disciples of Christ, but Christian by name only. Even today we have many that say their Christians, but by name only.
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in they name? And then will I profess unto them I never knew you:”(Matt:9.22)
These crusades would be the beginning of the end this age will be called the Dark ages” Where lawlessness abounded. and the Church would have political corruptions. Out of this came the Reformation were people like Martin Luther spoke up and reformed the church. Today we are in a time where the truth is not wanted, where even the gay community has their own bible that tells them they are ok and takes out any words that says difference. It not enough to say you are a Christian, but we much show forth the fruit of repentance. Unlike the Crusaders where the pope give allowances to kill for the cause, we may not kill, but the church allows for unrepentant souls to be called Christians. It time again to stand for the truth. Jesus is the salvation of the world let us spread the good news.
Jul
3
Today I posted a link to a blog site GCMW in hope to shed some light on this movement and YES, there are gay Christians. Well at lease they profess to be Christians. This is where the Church is headed or is already there. Will we stand for the truth are compromise the truth for the potential new member. By allowing the change of policy about divorce and remarriage will we then allow for this gay movement to become members, one has to only ask what would be the difference. Both are in sin and now can become new members that’s what we said, we would work with them. You see why we must stand for the truth and not compromise it. If you loved some one will you not tell them the truth? The Church is seen as not wanting to hard someone feelings and looks at the number of members and says, “What are we doing wrong?” so we change to gain that number. Some Churches already are finding this movement in there church and we maybe next. Again it’s the strait and narrow way that only a few find. It’s not about the numbers! Please let no man deceive you. Read you bible today.


